But as I mentioned previously, I unfortunately had to send back my MBP because the second DIMM slot (for adding RAM) was dead. The Apple support person sent me a shipping label which I should use to ship the machine back. Here starts the beginning of an aggravating process...
Apparently they were also supposed to send me a kit that would provide me all the shipping materials needed to send back the machine. Yeah, not so much. Nothing arrived and when I called back, they said it was a mistake in their system and that I could just use any box to send it back instead of waiting for a new kit to be sent. When I first got my iPod a few years back, it, too, had a problem. Not only did Apple overnight a shipping box, but all service was done via overnight shipping and I literally had my replacement 3 days after first reporting my problem. Needless to say, I was very impressed. I wish I could say the same this time.
I live in New York City and I had to ship the MBP back to Elk Grove, California....via Ground shipping. See, that's the label they sent, and I couldn't change it without having to pay for the shipping myself. If this is something that's their fault, why not offer the same Overnight service that you provided with my iPod? So I mailed it out on July 3rd, and it finally arrived yesterday, July 11th. It was a long week of constantly pinging the FedEx tracking system to see if it arrived!
I waited until late last night to hit up the Repair Status site to see what the story was so that I could get an estimate on a return delivery date. I kept getting a "Status not available" message when I entered my Repair ID, even through this morning, which should have been more than enough time to process the return. Since my machine was technically a custom order (I upgraded the RAM and the hard drive when I first purchased it), I knew that it had to come from China, which is where the machines are built. I also had a strange feeling that it was going to be ground shipped back to me (after waiting a week for the order to be processed, based on my previous experience, which would have put the guess-timated date near the end of July). That didn't fly with me, so coupled with the "Status not available" message, I decided to call the AppleCare Support Line to see what was up.
(To this point, my real problem was just that it had been a slow process, which is annoying when you're excited from something. I'd be OK with things if that were it. But...)
Upon reaching an AppleCare support person (I have to say, they are very good about short wait times), she read the case notes and said that she had to transfer me to a Sales support person. OK, fair enough. A short wait later, and a guy comes on the line to introduce himself. He, too, reads through the case notes and says that, despite multiple notes in the log that the machine needed to simply be swapped for a new one, a refund was issued to my account and that the case what closed.
Wait, what?!
Yes, somebody on their end, despite the numerous notes to replace the machine, issued a refund to my account rather than processing a replacement. Since the refund was already issued, the case is now closed and the only way to get a MacBook Pro is to order a new one! Oh, and I can't get a refund right now on my AppleCare support plan. That's a separate issue. Are you kidding me?! I don't even own the machine anymore and I still have to go through the hassle of a separate call to cancel that?! All I got was "I'm sorry this happened. Do you want to buy a new one?" as a reply. I was floored. I also believe that he was sorry, but sorry doesn't fix the problem.
So now I'm furious because of all the lost time and I'm seriously reconsidering whether or not I want to buy another one. As I said, the MacBook Pro, both the machine and the software stack that comes with it, is pretty sweet. But this experience leaves an awfully bad taste in my mouth with Apple's support. Further, Intel's about to announce the Core 2 Duo availability. How do I know if Apple is going to announce less than a month from now at the Worldwide Developers Conference that they are bumping up to that chipset (which offers better performance, and, more importantly for a laptop, lower power consumption). As usual with my luck, I'll have bought something that is significantly upgraded literally a few weeks later. And lastly, in my brief experience, I found that it was a bit harder to run certain must-have applications without having to "trick" the system. From ColdFusion MX's startup quirks to the lack of Flex Builder to the lack of TiVoToGo, I found myself in Parallels a bit more often that I thought I'd be. Perhaps that's just the "lifeboat" reaction of going back to something familiar. But it also seemed crazy to have had to switch my system's loaded JVM just to fire up ColdFusion (The OS relies on JDK 1.5 but ColdFusion doesn't support that).
Frankly, I'm not sure what to do at this point. I have to say that just writing this out has been therapeutic in a way because I am starting to cool down a bit. And while most who happen to read this are likely thinking "that was just a one-off bad experience," well, when it happens to you it doesn't make you feel any better. I'm going to see what Dell has going on right now and take a couple of days to do another comparison and see if things have changed. In the meantime, it's back to my old, painfully slow laptop where I can't run half the applications I need to due to lack of resources.
Might be worth going into the Apple Store and see what they say about it.
For what it's worth. My MacBook is probably the best laptop I've ever owned.
Good Luck!
Brad, good info. The problem is that the beauty of having the MacBook Pro was that I could have Windows installed as well and then have the best of both worlds in one package. I don't want to have to carry around two laptops to get my work done!
Yeah, I know what you mean. I was just making a point with that kind of money, you could get two good laptops. If you want to stick it to Apple a little, you could always get a MacBook and save several hundred (if not thousand) dollars.
I have this same kind of problem with Dell all the time. Fortuantely, they only cancel new orders. The only repair I had with Dell was for a bad keyboard and it was much like your iPod experience. I called at lunch time. An Airborne driver came about 5:30 pm with a box and label. It was overnighted to TN (from NC) and I had the repaired laptop back the next afternoon. It took only 12 hours from the time I made the call, to the time I got it back!!! This is probably way out of the ordinary, but who am I to complain?
They are a brand new breed of computer and they are going to have growing pains but the growing pains are still way less then the pains of running windows.
this macbook pro is by far the best computer i have ever owned, sorry that you are having problems, I would suggest a one on one with an apple store manager and get it squared away and you will be a happy camper.
Dave -- As I said already, I *did* go to the Apple Store (the flagship one that just opened in New York, so it wasn't some out-of-the-way place). I spoke with a manager who said that because the machine was a "custom order," they couldn't help me there. Further, thanks to a friend, I can receive a Federal Employee discount when buying the laptop. However, since that's the case, the retail store cannot handle that -- it can only be done online. If I were talking about $50 or $100, then it wouldn't be worth it and I'd just buy from the retail store. But I'm talking about $600 in savings, which is a good chunk of change that makes the online process more appealing!
There is always more to the story and I can see saving the extra money but really it's kind of a karma thing, you duped them and now you are getting duped....
When I go buy my stuff I could easily take one of our models in with me and use their student ids but I don't because really it's kinda wrong.
You are a pretty decent guy and I dont doubt your intentions were good but basically you are using a discount that doesnt belong to you and when everyone does that the prices go up for the people not doing that. Im not trying to be a jerk but at first I felt sorry for you that you were having problems, I dont as much now. However, if that's what it takes to get ppl to try osx them im all for it.
Before you go jumping down my throat and accusing me of shady practices, you may want to read up on Apple's Federal Employee Purchase Program:
http://www.apple.com/r/store/government/fedepppoli...
To save you the time, here is the relevant part of the policy under "PROGRAM OFFERING":
"Personal Discount: You may purchase or 'sponsor' up to six system bundles each calendar year (January 1-December 31). 'Sponsoring' means placing an order for a family member or friend."
Note the key part: "or friend." I am friends with an employee of a government agency, and, at no prompting from me, he offered to sponsor me to save some money. As you can see by the policy, I did nothing wrong or underhanded. However, to be able to take advantage of the program, you must place your order online. Hence, my dilemma.
It isn't just the hardware part of Apple that leaves a lot to be desired. I'm still trying to get to the bottom of this latest fiasco.
Here's a copy of a letter I wrote to the Apple Store:
I ordered a Final Cut Studio Crossgrade to the Universal Product AND an upgrade to FC Studio Universal from Motion. The Motion upgrade came with a serial number and 8 discs. That works.
The Final Cut Studio crossgrade came with 4 discs and no serial number. When I enter the serial number of my original Final Cut Studio, it says it's an upgrade. Frankly, it's been so long since I bought Final Cut Studio last year, I don't remember what I upgraded from or where it is. I have a copy of Final Cut 3 on a discarded TiBook800 (it's basically a big hard drive now), but when I enter that one, it's rejected.
Can you help? Do you have a record of the serial number this crossgrade wants? Thanks.
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Reply from the Apple Store:
Thank you for contacting Apple.
We apologize for any inconvenience.
After reviewing your message, Apple has determined the nature of your question falls outside the type of support provided via email by the Apple Store.
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I then called Apple Care who asked for various proofs of IDs, credit card numbers, phone numbers, and then said they couldn't go far enough back in the database to find my original purchase of Final Cut Pro! They had, of course, upgrades including Final Cut 3, but they kept insiunating things about people who wanted extra serial numbers...
Great.
Then the Apple Care guy turned me over to yet another person who wanted credit card numbers, my phone number, etc. and again insinuated that I was trying to steal a serial number because I couldn't find my Final Cut 1 or 2 box (I frankly can't remember which it was or where it was). Then he hung up.
Sooo....I paid for two crossgrades and only one will work because they gave me a new serial number with the Motion one.
Expecting the customer to keep software that is six years old, especially when the upgrade to Final Cut Studio worked last year is really crazy. I've always registered everything and for what? So I could be insulted by some generation Z kid who was probably in middle school when the original Final Cut came out?
I'm furious. Apple needs to fix this stupidity. I have boxes and they have records going back to Final Cut 3, yet they insulted me over and over and I never received any relief? Even the government doesn't expect you to keep papers past five years.
Apple needs to shape up in this area immediately. Thanks for nothing...BTW, the "AppleCare guy" supposedly turned me over to sales where a guy named "Brad" said, "No, I'm not in sales and I'm not going to give you my name." Then he said, "Oh, I found your info." And he hung up the phone!!!!
Nice work, Apple. Your database appears to be write-only memory...
So why do you expect them to keep your records but not yourself nor the goverment?
You should be lucky that they will even upgrade software that old.
Here try this, call m$ and ask them to give you your serial number to xp and gl.....
btw~ i dont belive half your story, i bet the real story is much different like they were asking you all those questions to try and find something to confirm your order. The just don't give anyone who calls a saying they bought something a serial number. Hell my friend could buy something and I know he bought it and I want it so I guess I could just call up the non-apple company and say hey this is joe smoe and I lost my serial number can you give it to me and they will just hand it over........ Maybe in 1990 that's how it worked, not anymore. Hell on my POS pc when i gotta re-install winblows I gotta call m$ and harass the crap outta them to activate the damn thing and I got the box, the reciept, the serial #, everything.
Apple and/or applecare is rated by far the best computer support there is, actually its even in this months consumer reports. And I have talked to apple several times and have never ever been told anything like this. I have seen friends do things and tell stories like you describe and I was there when it happened and the story is usually way off base.
Personally, this sounds like its much more your fault for not keeping track of your stuff, it's not their job to be your book keeper.
plus why are you writing an apple store for that?
Believe it or not.
And it IS their job to support customers who have upgraded their products since 1.0. Even they see it that way...a least the ones at the executive level do.
Why did I write the Apple store originally? Because they were the ones who sold the upgrade. BTW, there were several others who reported similar problems with AppleCare. As for having the box, I found the original (version 1) in off-site storage, and as I had surmised, that original serial number didn't work, either. It took several people pushing the facts to the higher-ups at Apple and for that, I thank all who took the problem seriously, and helped to effect a solution, not only for me, but for others who were in a similar situation.
When upgrades don't work, it is the responsibility of the manufacturer to take the user seriously, and that means at ALL LEVELS of the company. Sooner or later, this kind of problem works itself up the ladder.
I could care less about MobileMe -- I conduct my editorial business from my home. Even were I on fire about the new MobileMe options I need my damned e-mails. Yesterday's wait on the .Mac mail support site were up to 10 minutes to chat and 48 hours for e-mail. Today the wait is nearly 1/2 hour!
This is another example of Gonzo marketing. Apple didn't consider any consequences, before holding peoples' mail hostage. -Think I'll recycle the iMac.